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You know, given the complete and unrepentant fury I've seen from my flist for Last of the Time Lords, I actually enjoyed it rather more than I was expecting to. I mean there was only one bit where I was facepalming at the stupidity, and one where I was facepalming at the rip-off"homage". Oh, and my one NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT TO ME! moment.
It seemed to work better in action than it sounds in description - that said, that's about par for course for a lot of Doctor Who.
And it was better than Doomsday
Is it just my optimistic tendancies? Or was the anger leading me to expect something rather worse than I saw?
Onto more spoilery type stuff...
To clarify my opening statements:
Facepalm at stupidity = not the "We believe in the Doctor" stuff, but the floaty glowy Doctor consequences.
Rip-off = Pyre scene. Though I liked in in RotJ, and they get away with it here by heavy hints this isn't the last of the Master.
NOOOOOO = Obviously, Martha going. Not so much the manner she left (though I'd like to have heard the Doctor say something about how fab she was first) because it's almost exactly how I would have wanted her to leave in another series or so's time, but the fact fandom will have to live with gloaty batshipper types. Also, really weird after earlier in the episode the Doctor and Martha were all clingy and shippy looking.
That said: I can live with it, so long as S4 has frequent occurances of the Doctor jumping like Martha's bitch every time that phone rings. Because it's true, dammit!
Since it's pretty much confirmed from commentaries and all she'll be back for some, is Martha the new Tegan?
I will admit that though I do really like Jack, the revelation that he is the Face of Boe had me dying of laughter. Less because of the revelation, more because of the wank I have already seen coming from it. Oh fandom, you crack my shit up.
I has meta type thoughts, which will be posted at some later time, on why Martha is like Mickey (and not just because I love them both) Re: getting treated badly by the Doctor in favour ofMary SueRose, but treated by the show in a way that gives them rather more agency and respect than said individual.
...I've got a character type, haven't I? The underdog thing. Martha and Mickey are the new Ron. Canonically quite talented, but also canonically overlooked in favour of others. And the depressing thing is, I know exactly why I do this, in terms of my own personality.
Dammit, I hate it when fiction makes me introspective.
Random stuff I liked:
- They flipped the cliche of "collect these pieces to build a weapon of awesome" to the point of Martha laughing at the unrealisticness of it.
- So called the Lucy betrayal.
- The Doctor/Master slash? Dying in his arms? The Doctor thinking of settling down with the Master?
- Though I want more Simm!Master, I loved the fact his death was entirely out of spite to the Doctor.
- In the year that didn't happen, Martha became this grand mythical figure. Neato.
There will be more later. I'm still working out what to think.
It seemed to work better in action than it sounds in description - that said, that's about par for course for a lot of Doctor Who.
Is it just my optimistic tendancies? Or was the anger leading me to expect something rather worse than I saw?
Onto more spoilery type stuff...
To clarify my opening statements:
Facepalm at stupidity = not the "We believe in the Doctor" stuff, but the floaty glowy Doctor consequences.
Rip-off = Pyre scene. Though I liked in in RotJ, and they get away with it here by heavy hints this isn't the last of the Master.
NOOOOOO = Obviously, Martha going. Not so much the manner she left (though I'd like to have heard the Doctor say something about how fab she was first) because it's almost exactly how I would have wanted her to leave in another series or so's time, but the fact fandom will have to live with gloaty batshipper types. Also, really weird after earlier in the episode the Doctor and Martha were all clingy and shippy looking.
That said: I can live with it, so long as S4 has frequent occurances of the Doctor jumping like Martha's bitch every time that phone rings. Because it's true, dammit!
Since it's pretty much confirmed from commentaries and all she'll be back for some, is Martha the new Tegan?
I will admit that though I do really like Jack, the revelation that he is the Face of Boe had me dying of laughter. Less because of the revelation, more because of the wank I have already seen coming from it. Oh fandom, you crack my shit up.
I has meta type thoughts, which will be posted at some later time, on why Martha is like Mickey (and not just because I love them both) Re: getting treated badly by the Doctor in favour of
...I've got a character type, haven't I? The underdog thing. Martha and Mickey are the new Ron. Canonically quite talented, but also canonically overlooked in favour of others. And the depressing thing is, I know exactly why I do this, in terms of my own personality.
Dammit, I hate it when fiction makes me introspective.
Random stuff I liked:
- They flipped the cliche of "collect these pieces to build a weapon of awesome" to the point of Martha laughing at the unrealisticness of it.
- So called the Lucy betrayal.
- The Doctor/Master slash? Dying in his arms? The Doctor thinking of settling down with the Master?
- Though I want more Simm!Master, I loved the fact his death was entirely out of spite to the Doctor.
- In the year that didn't happen, Martha became this grand mythical figure. Neato.
There will be more later. I'm still working out what to think.
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And they took my Martha awayFrom:
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As I said, I liked most of it, but I think I could have forgiven the stupid/annoying stuff if we had some emotional payoff with Martha.
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So yes. Fandom confuses my brain. And I keep being accidentally inflammatory if I ever go near it. The fact that nos is possibly nicer about t'telly than I am yet her views plus Prominence means she is considered Pure Evil by
the crazysome is not an encouragement to further participation, it must be said. Not that I am glamorous enough to attract that level of loathing, but it really isn't a pleasant prospect even at some sort of 0.5% dilution.So yes. I usually don't attempt Lengthy Analysis because I fear the consequences and fluffy random is safer. This time I feel Nothing At All is the way forward. Um, except that this comment is quite a contradiction of that. Oops.
Right-ho. I may make a real tin hat to remind me to stay away from the keyboard...
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You can always discuss in a flocked or filtered post. Or something.
*is currently rageful at Martha haters implying Freema's been sacked for being a diva or bad acting*
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Ho hum. Rose makes sense to me in a loved-them-all pattern. I really get gloomy at being made to want to stab her quite as much as I do.
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The best part of it was a handful of people in a room. No hordes of alien marauders, no faux!Yodas turning into magic glowy pretty people thanks to the power of positive thinking, just betrayal and rage and refusal and loss... and that's epic. The rest is just so much fuss and bluster, and unfortunately, it's what too much of the episode was.
Which doesn't make Martha any less awesome or the funeral pyre any less of a Jedi ripoff. ...er, a personal emotional... thing. That sentence got away from me, yeah.
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So long as it doesn't collapse into melodramatic beach emo scenesFrom:
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Except for cross breed Daleks in pin-stripe suits. I can't lower my expectations that much.
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I don't see why people are so fussy, it was very different than the previous two. See the last two season finale's were pretty much Rose-centric. But in this it was the Doctor's plight, rather than the world that was more important. Cause we know in our hearts that the Doctor can stop any invasion against any 'monster' but hell he was a bird in a cage and Martha had to save him. Save him so he can save the world.
Added an extra complexity I liked :)
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And I'm pissy at the sections of fandom who seem convinced to use this as an excuse for free-for-all Freema and Martha bashing.
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I am very much avoiding certain segments of fandom though. I think if I went over to the OG I might end up a lot less positive than I currently am about the whole thing.
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But that's probably a sane idea. I took one look at some of the names on the Daily, and I just can't bear it. Please let Monday's announcement be good Martha news, so we get an end to the horrible bitchy comments about Freema.
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God, fandom really is imploding over this.
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(Here via surfing -- hope you don't mind! :-))
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