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And thus there are spoilers
Well, Rose being in the finale now has been confirmed beyond rumour.
What I am more interested in is Jackie and Mickey (and possibly Pete). Does this mean they've been filming a scene in the alt!verse, or that Mickey and Jackie come through with Rose et al?
It's also kind of interesting that there were no trailers for the three people that are the leads for the series, going by press releases (the Doctor, Donna and Martha, for those who haven't been paying attention).
However, I will admit that as much as I shall squee over getting to see Mickey again - and Jackie too, for that matter, I'm a bit iffy on the amount of people we know for the finale. I just don't think there will be time to do all the characters justice - I mean look how often Torchwood seems to sideline one (or more) of it's leads.
Although I'm kind of grateful we have the three eps with Martha earlier in the series, as she gets her dramatic return before it becomes the fashionable thing to do, as it were.
Maybe it's just that I think big huge casts with lots of past characters showing up work better if they're a slightly cracktastic special (ala The Five Doctors) rather than a dramatic season finale. I don't dislike them in theory, I just think they aren't the best place for anything hugely dependent on ongoing plots. It's hard enough to combine decent plot and decent character interactions with just a couple of characters, it has to get exponentially worse the more characters are included.
Which means, it's likely one of them will be cut back a bit. Which leaves us with either dodgy plot, and decent character stuff, or a decent plot, and characters getting sidelined (which is rather pointless if they're going to all this effort just to include them).
...Eh. Maybe I'm just in a pessimistic mood right now. Any suggestions for cheering me up?
Also, it's an undeniable fact that the finale is going to piss off at least one portion of fandom. But what's the betting on which portion of fandom it is due to be?
Well, Rose being in the finale now has been confirmed beyond rumour.
What I am more interested in is Jackie and Mickey (and possibly Pete). Does this mean they've been filming a scene in the alt!verse, or that Mickey and Jackie come through with Rose et al?
It's also kind of interesting that there were no trailers for the three people that are the leads for the series, going by press releases (the Doctor, Donna and Martha, for those who haven't been paying attention).
However, I will admit that as much as I shall squee over getting to see Mickey again - and Jackie too, for that matter, I'm a bit iffy on the amount of people we know for the finale. I just don't think there will be time to do all the characters justice - I mean look how often Torchwood seems to sideline one (or more) of it's leads.
Although I'm kind of grateful we have the three eps with Martha earlier in the series, as she gets her dramatic return before it becomes the fashionable thing to do, as it were.
Maybe it's just that I think big huge casts with lots of past characters showing up work better if they're a slightly cracktastic special (ala The Five Doctors) rather than a dramatic season finale. I don't dislike them in theory, I just think they aren't the best place for anything hugely dependent on ongoing plots. It's hard enough to combine decent plot and decent character interactions with just a couple of characters, it has to get exponentially worse the more characters are included.
Which means, it's likely one of them will be cut back a bit. Which leaves us with either dodgy plot, and decent character stuff, or a decent plot, and characters getting sidelined (which is rather pointless if they're going to all this effort just to include them).
...Eh. Maybe I'm just in a pessimistic mood right now. Any suggestions for cheering me up?
Also, it's an undeniable fact that the finale is going to piss off at least one portion of fandom. But what's the betting on which portion of fandom it is due to be?
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Besides, if I wanted to watch kitchen sink drama, I wouldn't be watching Doctor Who !
*digs out more Classic Who eps to watch and revel in*
PS And I agree with the Five Doctors comment - that worked because it was a cracktastic special, this ain't !
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I think that statement gives a pretty good summary of my thoughts - the whole multi-companion thing makes it less a story about X returning, and more about companions as a whole returning. But it also leads to worries that character X will be sidelined. Which will probably happen with Jackie and Mickey, anyway, since they aren't leads, but still leaves us with the Doctor, Donna, Martha, Rose, Jack, Sarah Jane...
I think my ideal way for the episode to finish (when it comes to considering Rose, at least, is her saying something about wanting to with her family, Mickey, et al, but not wanting to leave the Doctor alone. And the Doctor responding that he isn't alone. *cue images of Donna, Martha, Jack, Sarah*
Dunno how likely that is.
But I'll make a note of this post, just in case.
It is my personal opinion that a Christmas special would be the perfect time for a multi-Doctor story.
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I'm concerned that there's a possibility that Doomsaday's going to be reset (leaving Rose et al in the this universe) - which makes me wonder what the hell the point of Season 3 was, except to pi$$ off anyone who doesn't love Rose & co.
I wish I trusted RTD enough not to screw it up, but I can't.
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Oh bother you Rusty !
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Otherwise, it's the same situation we already had.
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I half wish Season 4 was over already so I don't have to sit here and fret !
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Oh, that would be fabulous!
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I just hope Rusty has it in him to pull this one off.
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Which doesn't account for Sarah Jane. Unless she's with, you know, Martha. Which would be awesomesauce.
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I'm still trying to decide if I think we get a full Tyler episode, or just shorter cameos from Mickey and Jackie et al when Rose leaves at the end (or flashes back, or whatever).
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I just am uncertain it's something I actually want to see.
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But Rusty would never go there. Not for BBC1.
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I just demand that the phrase "short and Scottish" be used.
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If they ever do evil!Doctor, it'd be a brief period with some sort of mitigating circumstance, and they wouldn't retcon all of New Who away.
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I don't think Rusty has the cajones to go there, but Donna is the one who said he needed someone to stop him and Judith Roach (of whom Donna has a bit of similarities) in "Second Coming" poisoned Jesus.
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Am I alone in starting to wonder if the AltVerse people are even "really" back instead of being some sort of hallucination/memory/dream?
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never to returnand it's a case of Rose's Torchwood somehow communicating with Jack's Torchwood to warn them of some big bad thing. Or we get a "Day in the Life" of Rose & Co that shows they are just fine without the Doctor and Rose's rumored boyfriend is actually alt. Jack (after all, didn't Rose say Jack was like the Doctor only with dancing?)I'm actually thinking of not watching any of S4 until after it airs in its entirety just so I know if it's worth getting invested in.
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And I doubt Rose would get an alt!Jack as a boyfriend. That'd be a bit dodgy, since Jack really wasn't a nice guy until he met the Doctor and all that.
I do wonder if Jack's going to confront Rose about the whole botched resurrection and immortality thing. Rose's reaction to that could be... interesting.
I'm fine on most of S4, it's just the ending I'm mildly worried about.
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I reckon Rusty will pull off the impossible and piss EVERYONE off.
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