Daily Mail headline generator!

It became necessary for me to link the above site, after it generated for me the classic headline, WILL LESBIANS INFECT THE QUEEN WITH AIDS?

Great for teh lulz.

On some fandom related lulz, I found this article.

I haven't the faintest idea what most of the article is about, but the analogy used to explain the confusing stuff amused me immensely:

"The dichotomy is, as per usual, best illustrated with reference to Doctor Who:

Rose Tyler is engaged in a frantic, neurotic attempt to root herself and The Doctor within some kind of matrix of meaning and identity, played out against the backdrop of her electra complex, whereas Martha can more readily assimilate the irrational contradictions of travel in time and space because basically, she's tagging along for a laugh, with maybe the promise of a shag at the end of it."


And on the subject of Doctor Who, I am trying not to amuse mysef with the thought that certain sections of fandom *cough*Rosefen*cough* seem determined to have S3 turn out rather, well, Rebecca-esque, with Martha as the new bride. Shakespeare Code probably didn't help, what with it sort of feeding into this mentality.

Which means I am now picturing the Rosefen as an army of Mrs Danvers'. Jasper Fforde would be proud.

ETA: WILL TONY BLAIR IMPREGNATE THE MEMORY OF DIANA? *dies*
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


I just read a an analysis of S2 Rose that basically said, she ended the Time War forever in PotW, thus justifying any amount of smugness on her part.

I'd be more open to this theory if it hadn't been posted after "Daleks in Manhattan".

COULD LESBIANS RIP OFF YOUR MORTGAGE?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


GREAT JOB ENDING THE TIME WAR, ROSE!

Egads. How can people, you know, avoid the blatantly obvious like that? Not to mention, said smuggery is precisely why there was a Torchwood to get her stuck in an alt-Universe.

...Say, from that argument, that means Rose being forever stuck in the alt-Universe is justified.

DOES FEMINISM HURT HOUSE PRICES?
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


In a vast cosmic sense, the Doctor and Rose needed to be separated for the safety of the multiverse. They basically caused the events of "Doomsday" -- had Torchwood gone unfounded, the rift would be a mere footnote in a dusty UNIT file, the Daleks would still be floating through the void, and the alt-verse's polar ice caps would be intact.

WAY TO GO, TEAM TARDIS.

WILL THE BBC HURT THE CHURCH?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


PWNED BY DESTINY?

Even on just a more personal note, pychologically speaking, Rose is still at the stage of life where she is working out her identity. And considering identity is often seen as a match between your own perception of yourself, and how others see you... having a peer group of one person, who is not, shall we say, the most objective viewer of you can't exactly be the healthies way of identity formation.

Yes, adolescent identity formation was the topic of one of my lectures last week. So I can actually back this up with citations

COULD GAYS STRIP YOUR MORTGAGE OF ALL DIGNITY?

From: [identity profile] albion1919.livejournal.com


I just read a an analysis of S2 Rose that basically said, she ended the Time War forever in PotW, thus justifying any amount of smugness on her part.

Was that thought of as a good thing? I remember her being irrationally fearless whilst being in a Daleks eyepiece face "I destroyed him" *shakes head*

DO ASYLUM SEEKERS SCROUNGE OFF CLIFF RICHARDS?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


You know, Rose was incredibly lucky the Daleks didn't exterminate her where she stood, then.

WILL THE FRENCH STRIP YOUR HOUSE OF ALL DIGNITY?

From: [identity profile] albion1919.livejournal.com


She forgot she wasn't all wolfy at that point. It's interesting to note the time line, & the problems that their actions caused. Stepping on a lot of butterflies...

DOES NEW LABOUR KILL THE ELDERLY?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


One of the things I tend to think as a defining character trait of Ten is the fact he tends to be, shall we say, a bit hyper-reactive - a tendency to act without thinking. Which is why he really badly needed someone to be there and make him consider what he was doing - which Rose, it has to be said, wasn't providing.

DOES THE LEFT IMPREGNATE CLIFF RICHARD?

From: [identity profile] albion1919.livejournal.com


Damn, I'm sure Rose had a back-bone in S1! Where did it go?

DO GYPSIES KILL THE CHURCH?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


The thing is, though, looking back on it Rose doesn't call Nine on his actions nearly as often as people seem to think. (And Nine'n'Rose in The Long Game as easily as smug and twatty to Adam as Ten'n'Rose at their worst)

COULD THE E.U. IMPREGNATE FARMERS?

From: [identity profile] albion1919.livejournal.com


I know she didn't do it much, but at least it was something!

COULD SINGLE MOTHERS RUIN BRITISH JUSTICE?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


I suppose. (I'm not a huge fan of either Rose or Nine, really)

DO BRUSSELS BUREAUCRATS DESTROY BRITAIN'S SWANS?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


(Am I the only one whose just keeping this thread going for the headlines now?)

COULD NEW LABOUR IMPREGNATE BRITAIN'S SWANS?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


(Well, they are some terribly amusing headlines.

DO TEACHERS LEAD CLIFF RICHARD ASTRAY?

From: [identity profile] albion1919.livejournal.com


(It's so addictive. I should probably stop...)

COULD THE FRENCH LEAD BRITAIN'S SWANS ASTRAY?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


(Personally, I'm now killing time since my ep 5 is taking so long to be here)

COULD GAYS GIVE YOUR PENSION CANCER?

From: [identity profile] albion1919.livejournal.com


(I liked it, but, well...*Gives Ten a slap*)

WILL THE GERMANS RIP OFF THE QUEEN?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


(I've skimmed reviews, and that sounds about right. Though it's obviously set up for something later)

DO GYPSIES STRIP HOUSE PRICES OF ALL DIGNITY?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


(It's morning here, but what the hell. Night!)

WILL THE BBC INFECT THE ELDERLY WITH AIDS?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


Because then people would have to realise just how disturbing it is that Rose's crowning moment is one where she's stripped of all agency and is essentially a passive vessel?

From: [identity profile] narm00.livejournal.com


I think some of the 'ignoring the TARDIS' thing may be so that it's entirely /Rose's/ mind doing the Bad Wolf thing, so it's Rose being the Bad Wolf 'to save the man she loves', ignoring any ambiguities (like 'having the Bad Wolf get shippy with you is freaky-scary', 'she obliterated a Dalek fleet with a wave of her hand', 'its power nearly killed Rose, and cost the Doctor a regeneration', etc.),

On the one hand, the Bad Wolf is terrifying. On the other, it's a chance to see Rose get shippy with the Doctor. You can pretty much guess where some people are going to jump.

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


The shippiness of the kiss and all gets a little less OTP romantic when you acknowledge it's really a threesome, and Rose is by far the least powerful and most passive member of the three.
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


It's basically the TARDIS borrowing her body. If Rose still has a piece of the Bad Wolf inside her, does that mean the TARDIS is part-Rose?

Also, this theory floating around, that the alleged Bad Wolf references in S3 mean Rose is coming back -- completely miss the point that half the Bad Wolf never left the show. Poor thing had an arrow in it a couple of weeks back; she can't be happy about that.

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


Hmmm... has the TARDIS been acting particularly Rose-like lately?

I do like it when people get that fact pointed out to them. (There's also the fact that one of the Bad Wolf consequences is coming back this series - ie. Jack)
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


Well, we haven't spent much time in the TARDIS this season. "Manhattan" didn't feature the console room at all.

Maybe there's an unending supply of mascara in all the bathrooms, and when Martha finally moves in properly, she'll wake up to find her hair dyed blonde and all her clothes turned into hoodies?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


And lo, we have discovered the reason Martha hasn't changed her clothes. The TARDIS keeps giving her nothing but hoodies.
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


This explains a great deal.

But seriously, I've been thinking about Rose a lot lately. Not surprising when I will go and read posts by people who wish she'd never left and believe she's coming back.

But it has occurred to me that one could, if one wished, fanwank S2 Rose by saying that the TARDIS changed her personality -- she couldn't hold the Doctor back because the TARDIS can't do it either.

And deep in the soul of the TARDIS, where the echoes of all of her inhabitants exist, there is the Bad Wolf -- an error in the code, an unpredictable force feared by all the other echoes. A wound for Martha to heal, if you will.

...Erm, I've been trying to write that fic for a few days. I can talk about it eloquently enough.

But seriously, I've also been thinking that Nine didn't need a companion to stop him -- he needed one to connect him with humanity and inspire him to actually do things. And it was his inability to act that killed him in PotW -- he chooses not to activate the gamma wave, and sits back to wait for the deus ex machina.

*kind of hates Nine*

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


I have seen some of the Rose stuff debated, so it's not like the fic would be out of the blue entirely. It does sound like an interesting idea.

As for the Nine thing... well, you know that theory that it's whatever the fatal flaw of a particular Doctor that gets reversed after regeneration? Well, we went from unable to act Nine, to Ten who acts before thinking, pretty much. No wonder the dynamic with Rose went wonky, he went from needing a cheerleader to needing someone to hold him back.

*is not a huge Nine fan either*
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


Exactly!

To the best of my recollection, the only time Nine really needs someone to hold him back is "The Unquiet Dead", where war guilt leads him to offer human corpses to the Gelth. And although Rose argued against it, I kind of lost my affection for her in that scene, because her argument basically came down to, "Don't. Because I said so." While I was screaming at the TV about human death customs and mourning and ... stuff.

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


I'm... not fond of that episode. I mean, I don't hate it like Father's Day or The Long Game, but it's fairly low on my list of favourite episodes. But I do find it puzzling that that is almost always used as evidence that Rose isn't always a Doctor syncophant... despite the fact that she's with the Doctor for so much time afterwards?

When was the last time Rose seriously argued with the Doctor, anyway? (Excluding her daddy issues, which aren't, on the scale of things, serious)
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From: [identity profile] lizbee.livejournal.com


She argued for the Dalek's life in "Dalek". I can't think of anything else, and as things go, that's not exactly a great example.

She fought for her right to flirt with Cap'n Jack in "The Doctor Dances".

But mostly she's the Doctor's cheerleader while other people argue with him.

From: [identity profile] randomtrickpony.livejournal.com

Will the unemployed ruin farmer benefits?


Just...LOLZ.

And yeah, I was a RosexDoc shipper (still am in a way I guess) but more of as friends then anything else. I just...can't see them getting down and dirty, as she never really tried to sort out any of his enigma, despite the fact that he was angsting over her when she left. But then, she was younger, Martha is more of a go-getter...and, hilariously enough, I didn't think I'd like Martha. Then I watched the first epi with her and was like...man...she's a little like me...this is neat!

And, the rest is history.

By the by, thanks for expressing interest in my dark!Ten fics. I'm going to start posting my first DW one shot at the end of the week or next week (finals week, ya know? No time!) on my lj. You're welcome to stop by if ya feel like it, I need good crits!
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