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Was lurking around a few threads on the OG, when I stumbled upon a recent - and rather unexpected post from Teh Moff.
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In response to a previous commenter's "Writer Steven Moffat has all but admitted that The Doctor & Rose were sexually active as of the 'Doctor Dances' episode"
Teh Moff:
"I say, no I didn't! The whole scene was about the fact they WEREN'T at it - indeed, it was the Doctor being slightly hurt that Rose hadn't even considered him in that light.
There's precious little evidence they ever got up to anything, I'd have said - that it doesn't stop it being a love story, of course (it clearly was) but unrequited surely?
Oh, it's all sex with you lot, isn't it? And when the writer of Coupling says you're banging on about sex too much, it's time to start listening.
Steven Moffat"
Did mine eyes just decieve me, or was the word "unrequited" just used to describe the Doctor/Rose relationship by someone in the know?
(From here)
In response to a previous commenter's "Writer Steven Moffat has all but admitted that The Doctor & Rose were sexually active as of the 'Doctor Dances' episode"
Teh Moff:
"I say, no I didn't! The whole scene was about the fact they WEREN'T at it - indeed, it was the Doctor being slightly hurt that Rose hadn't even considered him in that light.
There's precious little evidence they ever got up to anything, I'd have said - that it doesn't stop it being a love story, of course (it clearly was) but unrequited surely?
Oh, it's all sex with you lot, isn't it? And when the writer of Coupling says you're banging on about sex too much, it's time to start listening.
Steven Moffat"
Did mine eyes just decieve me, or was the word "unrequited" just used to describe the Doctor/Rose relationship by someone in the know?
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Well, yeah. The Doctor always loves his companions (which is one reason why the Adam thing irks me).
Something a lot of batshippers fail to realise: sex and love are not necessarily connected.
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And I tend to think that he wouldn't necessarily think that sex = commitment, or anything like that, so I could totally see him sleeping with her without quite realizing that she would think it means more than it does. Which probably makes me a bad person, but oh well.
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And the Doctor, like Jack, has a less culturally restrained view of love and sexuality. To the point where sex = commitment thing, yes, mightn't ever occur to him. And if it makes you a bad person, I'l see you in hell.
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And yeah, ideas about love and sex tend to come at least partially from one's cultural context, so it totally makes sense that his perspective would be completely well, alien.
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Yes, a certain alien aspect should be expected.
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ALL of them? He didn't seem to be particularly fond of Rose's mum :p
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Basically, she's a surrogate mother figure, of a sort.
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kidnaps sex slavestakes aboard companions and their respective families and goes gallivanting about the universe with them, saving the day as he goes. It's a hard job to do on your own.I wonder if the Time Lords had a special branch of psychiatry dealing specifically with the hazards of their jobs (granted that our Doctor's job got a lot harder once his race when kaput)...
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all about the great and t00by love of the Doctor and Jackie
She's like his surrogate mum, and yet weirdly also his partner in Having Some Sort Of Responsibility To Keep Rose Safe. Jackie is domestication personified, so he has to adopt a not-always-convincing attitude that Jackie must have germs or the like. Just like he's fond of Mickey by the end and never quite wants to drop the "lolz mickey teh idiot" thing because it's too close to openly accepting the surrogate family idea.
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I was always very attached to the idea that Rose didn't get told "I love you" because she just wouldn't know what it means.
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Though mostly I just find the idea that he's scared of saying a bit... shallow, somehow. It seems to demand way too much emotional naivety from the Doctor. Did I tell you it annoys me that they draw attention to it in Doomsday? The reasons he doesn't/can't say it are external, there's no in-story need for anything other than "Oops, he didn't have time after all. That's ironic, isn't it?" The easiest is "he just doesn't say it, for some untold reason" but it needs to throw (at least the possibility of) it in there at the last minute, and that rambling "Well, if there's no way you can call me on it..." thing is sort of, err, drawing attention to how out-of-character it's all getting.
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And yeah, that's gotta screw her up. Which is really frustrating, because I want to believe that she moves on with her life at some point. So things like that just make me worry that she never will.
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Because the romantic in us wants him to! I think they could have pulled tragic misery off without him crying but what do I or Steven Moffat know of such things?
And what ever happened to the themes of moving on and growing up and learning to let go of the past that they kept hammering home episode after episode?
It bugs me that I can completely understand the episode when I look at it entirely from the persepective of fanservice and giving the audience what they expect and trying to get BAFTAs and yet in the wider story it makes little sense in my head. Woe.
And yeah, that's gotta screw her up. Which is really frustrating, because I want to believe that she moves on with her life at some point. So things like that just make me worry that she never will.
It may be less love-declaring, but "have a fantastic life" was a much better message to leave her (and us) with than "omg i luv u byeeee."
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I think "have a fantastic life" was a great thing to say because it conveyed how much he loved her while still giving her something positive for the future. The aborted "I love you" is way too negative. What's she supposed to take away from that except wondering what might have been? Which leaves her stuck in the past instead of moving on (like he presumably wants her to).
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I suspect it is, ys.
I think "have a fantastic life" was a great thing to say because it conveyed how much he loved her while still giving her something positive for the future. The aborted "I love you" is way too negative. What's she supposed to take away from that except wondering what might have been? Which leaves her stuck in the past instead of moving on (like he presumably wants her to).
Yeah. She'd always wonder if he did if she hadn't pretty much forced him to say it, but as it stands she's thinking "If only we had not been parted, we could be wed. I should have said something earlier. We might still be together if I'd said something when we met the werewolf or when we were on the GameStation." Which is a bit depressing.