I wonder, just how much of the crazy in the Doctor Who fandom would be avoided if people would actually come to terms with the fact that Rose isn't the exception, she's just the first example of the new rule?

From: [identity profile] van.livejournal.com


In ten years, we'll look back on this and laaaaaaugh.

(Not that we aren't already laughing.)

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


Oh yeah. Just like the way Harry Potter fans in the future are going to be completely bewildered by all the shipwank (what with knowing how it all ends up...)

From: [identity profile] dune-drd.livejournal.com


But she was speshul? GAh, I wonder how many posts there'll be because of the new intro

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


Since I remember hearing people whinge about David's "looking wrong" after the CiN special, I expect quite a few. Though I suspect the mods of certain comms might be planning to crack down on this sort of off-topicness.

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Took me a while to get used to Tennant's being there. Also weirdly I got a bit thrown when Noel's wasn't during Mickey's stint as A Proper Companion.

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"How dare the Doctor cheat on Rose by allowing Freema's name to be in the credits!"

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Errrm, any reason why she shouldn't be mentioned in the opening creadits? And have I missed any wank about this?

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Nah, just an idiot on the OG claiming the only reason Billie was in the credis was because she was already well known, and because she was "the link to a new generation of fans." Or something.

Which one could interpret as saying that Billie Piper was stunt casting, which is an amusing implication.

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From: [identity profile] melata-fic.livejournal.com


I admit that it'll look really weird to me. I've seen Billie's name all this time.

But Rose is just as important as Martha. :) Anything more or less would be strange.

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There's a difference between having to adjust to change, and refusing to accept it, though. ;)

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But Rose is just as important as Martha. :) Anything more or less would be strange.

Bah, how can the new female lead and the old female lead be equally important!

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The idea was weird to me at first, when I read about the new companion (before I finished series 2) I was all "Wah, Rose is leaving??"

But now I'm kind of looking forward to it. I like the idea of someone new with new family and new issues etc, to inject new drama etc into the show. Looking forward to meeting Martha. :D

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Stunt casting? I didn't know any of them before I started watching the new series.

And yeah, laughing about people getting worked up over opening credits.

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Oh yeah. I had a whole argument with someone a while back who kept saying that Martha would never be as "important" as Rose was. I was like do you have any idea how this show works at all? Sheesh.

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I think it's kind of vital that the most important companion be the current one.* Just like how the most important Doctor is the current incumbent.



(*Possible exception made for Susan because, dude, family.)

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Sometimes people make me headdesk. Especially about this shit.

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Because people's suspension of disbelief doesn't allow for people just forming out of nothing.

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*headdesks*

They need to cull the eejits from the OG - the place gives fans a bad name.

*looks at her CD collection which proudly boasts TWO - count 'em - TWO Billie CDs*

:p

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


If they culled the idiots from the OG, just how many members do you think there would be left?

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From: [identity profile] saikogrrl.livejournal.com


Am kinda out of the fandom loop, what exactly is the rule, and why do they think she's the exception? What does it mean for her to be an exception?

From: [identity profile] drakyndra.livejournal.com


It's a Rose vs other companions thing. Or, to be more accurate, a New Series companions vs old series companions thing, that the Rosefen percieve as a Rose vs other companions thing.

Basically, it used to be that companions got a perfunctuary backstory that feature in maybe their first story, or one or two others, and then was swiftly forgotten, that they weren't as important as the Doctor, that the Doctor/companion relationship was platonic (or at least sold as in advertising...), that the other companions were disposable, and easily forgotten, etcetera and so on.

And Rose, as we saw, wasn't. And people are saying "It's because Rose is special!" when really, it's because the production team has a different attitude to companions now - hence Martha, the next one, also getting family and being generally as important as Rose.

(Certain people have been saying that because Martha has a family she's a copy of Rose. Because only Rose is allowed to have a family. To which sane people go, Bitch please.)

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